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2363: SG6 - Clarification on Violation Escalation


3796H
9-Dec-2024

<SG6> We have seen a variety of different rulings on the strictness of possession/plowing at different events, often resulting in disqualification. We have a question regarding when a SG6 violation should be called, ruled as a minor violation, or escalated to a major violation.

SG6 States: Possession is limited to two Rings and one Mobile Goal. Robots may not have Possession of more than two (2) Rings at once. Robots may not have Possession of more than (1) Mobile Goal at once. Robots in Violation of this rule must immediately stop all actions except for attempting to remove the excess Scoring Objects.

According to the rule SG6 a robot in violation of the rule can remedy the situation by removing the excess scoring object(s), assuming the robot only removes the excess object(s) and does not continue to play any other aspect of the game.

The red box beneath the rule states: If your Robot is carrying a Mobile Goal, you can’t manipulate other Mobile Goals until you put down the one you’re carrying. Period.(Emphasis Added)

This seems to insinuate the violation is severe when any goal could be considered manipulated. The language feels like it conflicts with a robot's ability to remove a goal to prevent a violation.

Under violation notes it states: Any egregious or clearly intentional Violation by an Alliance who wins the Match will be considered a Major Violation.

This states that actions must be egregious or clearly intentional to be considered a violation.

in Q&A 2304, the answer to possession was stated as:

If a scenario involves minor, incidental contact with Mobile Goal 1, that likely wouldn't be considered Plowing.(Emphais Added)

If Mobile Goal 1 is just barely placed in a Corner and a Robot possessing Mobile Goal 2 drives into that Corner and pushes Mobile Goal 1 all the way back into the Corner (making it easier to defend), the Robot has intentionally Plowed Mobile Goal 1 while possessing Mobile Goal 2. That would be a violation of <SG6>, and a Disqualification if the Robot's Alliance wins the Match.

The final determination of whether a specific Mobile Goal has been Plowed/manipulated or simply bumped into will require some level of judgment from the Head Referee.

The emphasized section of Q&A 2304 and quoted rules have resulted in several questions about minor and incidental contact and when it becomes manipulation.

In each of the following scenarios we have seen referees rule the contact as a disqualification based on their interpretation of SG6 and the red box statement. We are asking for clarification on if the contact constituted an SG6 Minor Violation, Major Violation, or no violation. We are also looking for a clear definition of manipulation.

In each scenario below red alliance clearly posses a scored goal. Assuming no other rules are violated, how should each scenerio be ruled for the red alliance and doe the goals meet the definition of manipulated?

Scenario 1: Red alliance is traversing the field and contacts a goal while in possession of a goal. The contacted goal only moves slightly.

Light Contact

Scenario 2: Red alliance is traversing the field and contacts a goal while in possession of a goal. The contacted goal moves several inches.

Heavy Contact

Scenario 3: Red alliance is traversing the field and contacts a goal, getting it stuck in their intake while in possession of a goal. Red alliance backs away removing the second goal without scoring or interacting with any other game elements.

Shove and Retreat

Scenario 4: Red alliance goes to pick up a red ring near a goal with a goal in their possession. Red alliance contacts the second goal causing it to move while intaking the ring.

Ring and Goal

Answered by committee
11-Dec-2024

First off, the language "Robots may not have Possession of more than (1) Mobile Goal at once. Robots in Violation of this rule must immediately stop all actions except for attempting to remove the excess Scoring Objects" doesn't negate the Violation; it just identifies what a Robot has to do after the Violation starts.

Regarding what we mean by manipulate, we're talking about interactions in which a Mobile Goal is handled or controlled by a Robot. Pulling, grabbing, pushing, steering, guiding, directing, tipping, or controlling a Mobile Goal would generally qualify as manipulating, as would other similar actions. Briefly bumping, tapping, or brushing against a Mobile Goal probably wouldn't.

In each scenario below red alliance clearly posses a scored goal. Assuming no other rules are violated, how should each scenerio be ruled for the red alliance and doe the goals meet the definition of manipulated? Scenario 1: Red alliance is traversing the field and contacts a goal while in possession of a goal. The contacted goal only moves slightly.

If the contacted Mobile Goal in this scenario isn't moved into or out of an advantageous location, or "in a preferred direction," it probably won't be ruled as a Violation.

Scenario 2: Red alliance is traversing the field and contacts a goal while in possession of a goal. The contacted goal moves several inches.

This one is more subject to Head Referee judgment, and could reasonably be ruled by a Head Referee as Plowing. It's the Team's responsibility to entirely avoid Plowing Mobile Goals while Possessing a Mobile Goal. Most Head Referees probably wouldn't consider this Plowing, but some will. This scenario is likely to end in no Violation, but could result in a Minor or a Major Violation based on the Head Referee's judgment. That's the risk.

Scenario 3: Red alliance is traversing the field and contacts a goal, getting it stuck in their intake while in possession of a goal. Red alliance backs away removing the second goal without scoring or interacting with any other game elements.

Because this Robot is clearly in Possession of two Mobile Goals, it's clearly a Violation. It would be reasonable for a Head Referee to rule this as egregious or clearly intentional if the Robot Possesses the 2nd Mobile Goal for more than a brief period of time, or moves it a significant distance; in this case, per the Violation Notes, if the Team wins the Match they would get a Major Violation and DQ for the Match.

Scenario 4: Red alliance goes to pick up a red ring near a goal with a goal in their possession. Red alliance contacts the second goal causing it to move while intaking the ring.

Like Scenario 2, this one will be subject to some Head Referee judgment. They’ll have to consider how long the Robot interacted with the Mobile Goal, and how far it was moved. If it’s a slight inconsequential bump, it’s very much like Scenario 1; if it’s a longer interaction or moves a significant distance, it’s more like Scenario 2. The Team takes a clear risk any time they interact with a Mobile Goal while in Possession of another.